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Well said, Marno.
Seconded.

Sigh. You left nothing for me to say, Dennis. ;)

Really, you cut right to the heart of it. It's amazing - they are never happy. But hey - I guess they should at least be happy he didn't thank Allah. /s/

The leader of a secular nation gives an address on a secular holiday, and it's secular?

YoU BaStArDs!!

Egads!

He should have thanked Zeus. The right wing's heads would have exploded.

Nah. He should wait for the middle of his second term, and have Congress reaffirm the Constitutional principle that there should be "No religious test." When it passes, he can end his speech with 'Praise Allah and thank the Wiccan God and Goddess,' just to see who falls over from a heart attack first. ;-)

Egads!

Man, that would be great. Especially is he added... "and oh yeah - I'm an atheist."

Priceless. :-)

You left out the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I think the President should be all-inclusive. [For the record, I consider myself a radical Monsterist, a devout disciple of Pastafarianism. Not only does my God have bigger balls than all other Gods, His are really quite delicious too. We worship the FSM on Sundays by the consuming of his flesh; (whole grain) spaghetti and juicy (turkey) meatballs smothered in a variety of sauces (oh, and wine. Lots of wine...).]

R'Amen.

The slow and insidious dismantling of the American heritage piece by piece, word by word. So much for our traditions that Obama seems to feel have no value. What a shame!

I'm glad that pencil necked geek will no longer be in office after January 20 2013.

I am glad we are taking back our Country back from the "christians", they are very insidious and it is slow going, but I am confident that it will happen, and the real "Christians" will live in harmony and equality with all other faiths...

Happy Holidays and God bless....

Since this was never an Islamic country to begin with I concur. But since its basic tenets are based on Christian values it would be nice to get back to our roots. We don't need another psychotic religion overwhelming the country, one is enough, and I would rather deal with radical Christians then radical Islamists! At least today's Christians aren't running around chopping off people's heads stoning women to death and raping six year old children in mass quantities under the guise of marriage.

At least today's Christians aren't running around chopping off people's heads stoning women to death and raping six year old children in mass quantities under the guise of marriage.

Hey! What a strange coincidence! There are no Muslims in this country doing that either!

Imagine that.

Actually that's incorrect! So far two women have been stoned to death in the Midwest. Two other women were run down by one of their father's. Spousal abuse is very high in Muslim Communities. Some of the atrocities never get reported for obvious reasons. No one's sure how many little boys have been sodomized during their right of passage into manhood. In case you haven't heard, when a boy reaches puberty he is dressed to look like a little girl and passed amongst his relatives to get sodomized. Check out the sunna and hadiths.

But if you're a Muslim you already know this. If you want more information, check out my article on my wall. If you want to get smarter, you need to read.

But since its basic tenets are based on Christian values it would be nice to get back to our roots.

America was not founded on religious values at all.

I would rather deal with radical Christians then radical Islamists!

Sort of like picking out the gun you'd rather be shot with.

So far two women have been stoned to death in the Midwest.

That's nice. Prove it.

No one's sure how many little boys have been sodomized during their right of passage into manhood.

Take that up with the Vatican.

But if you're a Muslim you already know this.

The guy's name is Proud Pagan

Actually that's incorrect!

No, I'm talking about the reality out here. ::pointing in all directions with both arms::

Not the reality in here. ::two fingers, pointed at your head::

So far two women have been stoned to death in the Midwest.

First, I believe your words were "...running around ... stoning women to death." If any woman has been stoned to death, the perpetrator is NOT "Running around," s/he is running from the police.

Second, given that woman in this country are suffering rape, abuse, and domestic violence on an alarming scale (one out of every four woman) and that Christians outnumber Muslims by around 70 to 1, you need to think twice about making this as issue of religion.

If you DO supply a case were "2" woman were stoned, do you want to bet I can't match it with thirty-five cases of stabbings, shootings, head cut off, disembowelment, etc., including one or two who did it for "Christian" reasons?

Spousal abuse is very high in Muslim Communities.

It's not very impressive in Christian communities either.

Some of the atrocities never get reported for obvious reasons. No one's sure how many little boys have been sodomized during their right of passage into manhood.

It's just as easy to say that no one knows how many infants have been sacrificed to Baal in a Pagan ceremony.

It is a LIE for which you have no empirical proof.

In case you haven't heard, when a boy reaches puberty he is dressed to look like a little girl and passed amongst his relatives to get sodomized. Check out the sunna and hadiths.

I would rather check out some actual evidence of such a thing happening. If being written in a book is adequate proof, then I can believe this:

1. And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon him, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
2. Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him to death.
3. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they raped her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

So, these are Christian practices, are they not?

But if you're a Muslim you already know this.

I am not a child of Islam. As was pointed out to you, my pseudonym is a clue.

If you want more information, check out my article on my wall. If you want to get smarter, you need to read.

I read facts, not fantasy. Your writings read like the delusions of a disassociative xenophobe.

Regards

Dennis all I am going to say to you is prove me wrong!

YOU CAN'T!

I would rather be shot by a gun with a blank (Christian) than an AK-47 by a muslim.

And yes, America was founded on christian morals....deal with it!

Dennis all I am going to say to you is prove me wrong!

Xtra, I wish only the best for you on this holiday season,

that every person looks upon you, hears the things you say,

and thinks to themselves, "So this is what it is to be Christian."

Brightest blessings

Since this was never an Islamic country to begin with I concur. But since its basic tenets are based on Christian values it would be nice to get back to our roots.

This nation was or is neither an Islamic or christian nation. We are a secular nation with a religiously neutral government, based on the Constitution!

We don't need another psychotic religion overwhelming the country,

Yeah, one is already enough. Of course, we shouldn't let any "psychotic religion" overwhelm this country. Gotta take care of that whole separation of church and state thing.

And yes, America was founded on christian morals....deal with it!

Prove it! Show me one piece from a valid, original source which supports that claim!

PP, who says I'm a Christian? I leave that and any other belief system to you humans. I myself know there is an even higher authority. That is why I speak the way I do. But if you're going to compare Christianity to Islam in today's times, then Islam wins the top trophy for the most evil. Now it's actually trying for an Emmy!

PP, who says I'm a Christian?

Did I say you were Christian?

Or did I say people would believe you are?

Regards

I myself know there is an even higher authority.

That's nice. Prove it!

The only proof you would believe is what you would have to experience firsthand. Everybody gets to experience it eventually but don't hurry, you might not be as lucky as I was. I on the other hand got to experience it and come back to tell about it.

The creation theory in the context of religion is a myth. Genetic manipulation is the reality. Regardless of how mankind appeared on this planet, they are here for a purpose. That purpose is to experience all of the emotions and physical pain and pleasure that the physical body produces. Without these experiences, mankind would learn nothing and would not evolve. There would be no such thing as compassion. Free will is the key to our spiritual learning. Without free will, humankind would be no better than a colony of ants or a virus.

The only proof you would believe is what you would have to experience firsthand.

No. I would accept something logical, objective, and empirical. Personal experience is subjective and anecdotal.

I on the other hand got to experience it and come back to tell about it.

Some people can "experience" a "higher power" while under the influence of drugs or medications. Does that mean their experiences are actually real or true? The same holds true for people suffering from psychological disorders.

That purpose is to experience all of the emotions and physical pain and pleasure that the physical body produces.

No. That's just an after effect of actually existing and having our bodies wired to experience such stimuli. Our purpose is what we as individuals make it to be.

Free will is the key to our spiritual learning. Without free will, humankind would be no better than a colony of ants or a virus.

Of course, if there was a god or some omnipotent "higher power", that would negate the possibility of free will.

You just don't get do you? There is no empiricle evidence that any kind of god exists! That is why in order to know, you have to experience it. Does it take a rocket scientist to figure that out?

This god that religions speak of is not a singular entity. It is the cosmic consciousness of every entity that has ever existed in time and space. It exists everywhere in all things all the time. We are only in the physical universe. When we leave, we travel to the ethereal universe and become part of the cosmic intelligence. We basically become beings of light and consciousness that interconnect with every other consciousness.

The visions some people see when they die are mere conveniences of the mind. Those who have been beyond and back never really see the final destination. That includes myself. But you know what they say, the third time's the charm! Perhaps the next time I will make it to the final destination. Since my mind is not cluttered with religious dogma, I see things for what they are and not for what people tell me they should be.

You just don't get do you? There is no empiricle evidence that any kind of god exists!

Oh, I do get it and because there is no empirical evidence, any claims for a god can be summarily dismissed.

That is why in order to know, you have to experience it.

Subjective and anecdotal. It's no different that having an "experience" when one is on drugs or something.

This god that religions speak of is not a singular entity. It is the cosmic consciousness of every entity that has ever existed in time and space.

Since we've established that there is no empirical evidence to support such a claim, them that claim is without merit, as is your credibility for making it, especially for espousing it as factual in any way.

We are only in the physical universe. When we leave, we travel to the ethereal universe and become part of the cosmic intelligence.

See my previous statement.

We basically become beings of light and consciousness that interconnect with every other consciousness.

Sounds like a plotline for Star Trek.

The visions some people see when they die are mere conveniences of the mind.

As is any visdion or "experience" of a theological or metaphysical nature: mind over matter as it were.

Since my mind is not cluttered with religious dogma

You might want to do some sping cleaning for other kinds of clutter.

At least I have an open mind Gordy. The only clutter in my head are facts, that's why I'm not a democrat.

By the way, my view of the afterlife has no relation to any star trek episode ever produced but nice try at a spin. But I don't mind so it doesn't really matter.

At least I have an open mind Gordy.

As do I. That's why I am willing to consider any evidence presented to support your claims. Otherwise, logically, they cannot be taken seriously or factually.

The only clutter in my head are facts, that's why I'm not a democrat.

I'm not sure what politics has to do with claims of the metaphysical. Besides, you have no "facts" regarding the afterlife or supernatural phenomenon, as you've previously alluded to. Only opinions on such matters.

By the way, my view of the afterlife has no relation to any star trek episode ever produced but nice try at a spin.

No spin. I was merely reminded of a Star trek episode. But otherwise immaterial to the discussion at hand.

The only clutter in my head are facts, that's why I'm not a democrat.

Wow.

In one sentence, you expressed both irony and prejudice. Bravo.

Regards

Pretty good huh! Prejudice has nothing to do with political choice. So that don't work. Besides I am neither republican or democrat.

Prejudice has nothing to do with political choice

To outright imply that all or most democrats are not concerned with facts is prejudicial. You don't get to change English grammar to suit your purposes; you said what you said.

Besides I am neither republican or democrat.

I don't care.

Regards

By the way, my view of the afterlife has no relation to any star trek episode ever produced but nice try at a spin.

Actually, it would be closer to Star Wars. Let's compare:

Extra: It exists everywhere in all things all the time. We are only in the physical universe. When we leave, we travel to the ethereal universe and become part of the cosmic intelligence. We basically become beings of light and consciousness that interconnect with every other consciousness.

Yoda: Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes.

Hmmmm. ::upswept eyebrow:: Fascinating. ;-)

Regards

Hmmmm. ::upswept eyebrow:: Fascinating. ;-)

McCoy: "Please, don't say it's fascinating."

Spock: "No. But it is interesting."

:)

Actually I can change anything to mean whatever I want. That is one thing I learned from the libs.

Star wars is a little better analogy. But where do you think George Lucas got the conceptual idea? You don't think he thought that up all by himself do you? That has been a concept for thousands of years. He just profited from it. You see I knew all about that long before the movie ever came out let alone the book.

Actually I can change anything to mean whatever I want. That is one thing I learned from the libs.

Then you only damage your credibility, which is only further magnified by turning this into a lib vs. conservative debate.

You see I knew all about that long before the movie ever came out let alone the book.

Science fiction is still fiction!

Actually I can change anything to mean whatever I want.

Yes, yes, it's always good to be reminded where you stand on the issue of honesty.

That is one thing I learned from the libs.

We seem to have a reoccurring theme here.

Star wars is a little better analogy. But where do you think George Lucas got the conceptual idea?

I don't think, I know. He created the concept of The Force from an amalgamation of the aspects of a number of different religions.

That has been a concept for thousands of years.

In a sense, yes, it is based in Pantheism, an ancient concept, but he also took it a step further by imagining a scientific explanation, and blending it with eastern-style philosophies.

You see I knew all about that long before the movie ever came out let alone the book.

The book and the movie came out at about the same time (In fact, the movie screenplay existed before any book).

And do, please, elaborate on "...knew all about that long before..." You weren't that old when the movie came out. Were you studying religion and eastern philosophies from a very early age?

Regards

Yesterday's science fiction is today's science fact. Over 100 years ago HG Wells thought up the concept of a beam of light that could be projected to burn things, he called it a heat ray. He also predicted the alien creatures would be transporting themselves around in mechanical machines.

Today we have automobiles trains and aircraft. We also have a laser beam, computers that can practically think for themselves, we also have robots. CNC machines are considered robotics. We use robots an automobile factories to build cars. That stuff was science fiction 50 years ago. Genetic engineering was also science fiction. But now we have genetically manipulated vegetables. Every day we are getting closer and closer to god like abilities. But we are getting farther and farther away from the spiritual aspect of existence. This is exactly what happened to Atlantis'. They got too big for their britches and destroyed their own continent.

But if given a choice between the two, I would definitely go with Christian law. After all it is what our constitution was modeled from.

But since none of the laws have much to do about religion at all, the point is moot. I am just glad we don't have a bunch of lunatics running around murdering people willy nilly just because they don't believe in Islam. Oh! wait a minute, we actually do have some of those lunatics doing just that!

Do the numbers 9/11 sound familiar? That wasn't the first time and it wasn't the last!

Sharia law and christian law are the same.

But if given a choice between the two, I would definitely go with Christian law.

*blink*

After all it is what our constitution was modeled from.

Not in any way, shape or form.

Do the numbers 9/11 sound familiar?

Yeah, it was a horrible day when Middle eastern militants attacked what they see as western economic and military Imperialism, and a religion got blamed for it by people who didn't understand what it was about.

But if given a choice between the two, I would definitely go with Christian law.

You must be male. Females get the shaft either way. All the Abrahamic religions treat women like garbage.

After all it is what our constitution was modeled from.

You must not live in the United States. Our Constitution is modelled on the ideas of the Enlightenment.

After all it is what our constitution was modeled from.

Demonstratably false!

But since none of the laws have much to do about religion at all, the point is moot.

Then why do you think our laws are modeled after christian law? You contradict yourself. Our laws are based on the Constitution.

Oh! wait a minute, we actually do have some of those lunatics doing just that!

And we have a bunch of christian lunatics doing the same thing. What's your point?

Actually there is nothing wrong with believing in god! Everybody need something to believe in. I believe the Christian god and the rules and stories in the bible are actually very good learning experiences, as well as rules to live by if anybody wants true peace. It's too bad the one religion that claims to be peaceful is totally the opposite. And of course that one is Islam. Islam is incompatible with our nation's laws and traditions on every level.

There are plenty of smart earthlings out there, some of them don't get involved at all in religious or political discussions. A small percentage of those that do. But unfortunately there are those who have been brainwashed since childhood into thinking Christianity is an evil belief. When actually Christians believe IN evils existence. Islamists claim they are peaceful yet they are the most evil of any religion ever conceived. It makes Satanism look tame!

Everybody need something to believe in.

Yes. I chose logic and reason.

Hhhmmmmm, what's so wrong with believing in god? Our president is lame.

Seems to me he is more devout than most and especially you....

There is nothing wrong with believing in god. Everybody needs to believe something to give them hope. Is the god people believe in really a god at all? Or could he be an extraterrestrial being of light that influenced or even introduced a religion to the world thousands of years ago?

I have no idea what Obama believes in but I do know when God is mentioned coming from the church he attended everyone should cringe as you never know if an obsenity is going to follow. He does claim to believe in God and I believe he does. I just don't think he can read the bible unless it is being read from a teleprompter!

There is nothing wrong with believing in god.

Well....there kind of is. People have to choose a god, and a religion. Although most just stick with whatever mythology they were raised with. So you have people believing (and holding as a world-view) in an entity whose existence cannot be demonstrated using empirical evidence and believing a dogma that was invented by some human at some point in history....for that particular human's personal gain. That actually can be a HUGE freaking problem!

Whole segments of our population believe the most extraordinary things, based on the hearsay of people seeking to control others. That cannot be good. And as we've seen with religious violence all over the world at all points in history...it isn't good. Each religion (or sect of the same religion) seeks to establish and in-group which is "special" because it follows the "true religion" and then seeks to exclude anyone who doesn't adhere to the narrow walls of THEIR beliefs. It also seeks to dehumanize the outsiders so the can be comfortably eliminated....either from society or, in extreme cases, from the world.

Belief in things for which there is no evidence is.........GULLIBILITY. Is gullibility ever a good thing?

Now you may be one of those rare people who believe in your god, but don't expect anyone else to. And I will admit that those people pose no threat to society. But those people are unfortunately rare. Most religions seek to force themselves on society as a whole.

I just don't think he can read the bible unless it is being read from a teleprompter!

*sigh* All modern Presidents used a teleprompter. And before that they used paper with their speeches written out. Don't pretend you either expect Obama to memorize every speech he makes, or that you would like him better if he managed such an amazing feat.

ET, what a load of bull@!$%#....

Troll alert!

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That is just one of the things that islam's borrowed from the Torah and the bible to make it seem like a legitimate religion when in fact it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to any type of Christian or Jewish faith.

Could also read: That is just one of the things that Christianity's borrowed from the Torah to make it seem like a legitimate religion when in fact it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to any type of Jewish faith. Christianity is a totalitarian dictatorship that is hidden in the guise of a religion to control the masses. Read the Bible and find out for yourself, I did!

Actually even though I am not an atheist, if you believed absolutely in any religion you are wrong. Religion is a fallacy made up to scare the population into behaving itself, that is all and nothing more.

But there is a supreme consciousness that is responsible for all creation. Although that supreme consciousness does not interfere with its creation. Basically it comes down to let the cards fall where they may.

Read the bible and find out for yourself, I did!

Although that supreme consciousness does not interfere with its creation.

Read the bible and find out for yourself, I did!

These two sentences contradict each other. Do you even KNOW what you believe??

But there is a supreme consciousness that is responsible for all creation.

That's nice. Prove it!

Although that supreme consciousness does not interfere with its creation. Basically it comes down to let the cards fall where they may.

And you base that "reasoning" on what exactly?

When you know what I know you will realize that god and Allah are two totally different theoretical beings.

I guess that's a matter of opinion.

Islam is not an Abrahamic religion.

I'll bet Muslims will beg to differ.

That is just one of the things that islam's borrowed from the Torah and the bible to make it seem like a legitimate religion when in fact it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to any type of Christian or Jewish faith.

Of course you have evidence to support this claim, right?

Hate to burst your bubble but that's the facts in a nutshell.

So far, you haven't presented any facts. Only your own opinions.

Islam is a totalitarian dictatorship that is hidden in the guise of a religion to control the masses.

That pretty much applies to all the Abrahamistic religions!

I know exactly what I believe Kav. If your mind is not capable of any kind of abstract thought then you would not understand what I'm talking about. But that's OK, not too many people are able to think beyond their religion. Even native American ones. But some of the native American tribes have the very concept I'm talking about in their folklore. Bits and pieces of it anyway, I should know I am almost full blooded native American and my cousin is the chief of the Turtle Clan, of the Mohawk tribe, in the Iroquois nation.

But don't tell anyone, a lot of people here really think I'm from outer space and I would like to keep it that way. :-]

I know exactly what I believe Kav. If your mind is not capable of any kind of abstract thought then you would not understand what I'm talking about.

There's a difference between abstract thought and actually believing such thoughts to be real or true. Or are you suggesting that anything I can imagine is automatically real?

But some of the native American tribes have the very concept I'm talking about in their folklore.

Key word here is "folklore."

But don't tell anyone, a lot of people here really think I'm from outer space and I would like to keep it that way.

No worries there! :D