Afghan mother and daughter stoned and shot dead after Taliban accused them of moral deviation and adultery | Mail Online

Afghani Muslim religious lunatic psychopaths

You may work at better seeding if you read History. Emotions and diatribes alone will not help the world to be released of the capture of naive religious myths

Those you call psychopaths are just poor isolated mountain people and they know nothing either about any religion. They were used by US as pawns in its Cold War game with Russia and they need education and help of international community ''not futile diatribes''. In war games nothing better than adopting false ideology 'religion' to move the poor masses in fake war. The big players in the game always reap what they sow of evil

Those you call psychopaths are just poor isolated mountain people and they know nothing either about any religion

The term "Taliban" translates as religious students. The religion they studied is Islam.

nothing better than adopting false ideology 'religion' to move the poor masses in fake war.

It is impossible to explain that "Islam" is a false ideology,to a believing Muslim.

As we can see, stoning takes place in some nations that have sharia law. It is an undisputed fact.

it is with out question, that there is still debate within the ummah about this question.

Whether or not to stone people is not the question,what happened to the verse of Al-Rajm,in the view of Islamic scholars is the only topic.

THE CLAIM THAT THE QUR`AN ONCE CONTAINED A VERSE ABOUT AL-RAJMBUT THE VERSE WAS OMITTED FROM THE QUR`AN

Although this claim has the support of several ahadith, one of which uses the authority of ‘Umar and is found in most Hadith collections, it raises insurmountable difficulties. Why was the verse omitted from the Qur`an? If its omission was an accident, why would not Muslim leaders restore the verse to the Qur`anic text when its absence from the Qur`an was noticed? If, as some other narrations tell us, people thought that addition to the Book of God was not permissible in his eyes, surely he must have thought the same about omission. Hence he was duty bound to restore the missing verse. One cannot say that the verse was "suppressed" by the higher authority of the Prophet that ‘Umar could not overturn; for, why would the Prophet suppress the verse while allowing the practice laid down by it to continue? Some traditions tell us that ‘Umar feared that the absence of the verse from the Qur`an would make people ignore a divine injunction. Why did he not prevent this from happening by adding the verse to the Qur`an where it belonged? The verse could not have been forgotten by the whole Muslim ummah. In the time of ‘Umar there were still alive many hundreds of the Prophet's Companions who, we are told in some narrations, used to recite the verse and memorise it.

Supporters of al-rajmnever really deal with the above questions in any satisfactory way. For example, Ibn Kathir quotes many of the traditions about the stoning “verse” and seems to accept the idea of such a verse but does not raise any of the relevant and important questions mentioned above, much less give some sensible answers to them. Some scholars have come up with the concept of two types of abrogated verses mansukh al-tilawah (abrogated in respect to recitation) and mansukh al-‘amal (abrogated in respect to practice). It is said that the verse about stoning was mansukh al-tilawah and not mansukh al-‘amal. But coining such new technical terms does nothing to reduce the extreme weakness of the idea of a verse that was in pracitce but was omitted from the Qur`an.

It seems that some supporters of stoning are aware of the difficulties pointed out above and so they choose to ignore the “stoning verse”. Thus in his justification of the stoning penalty Shafi‘ idoes not at all refer to any tradition about the “stoning verse”. Mawdudi quotes some narrations of hadith attributed to ‘Umar but does not in any way use them to justify his support of al-rajm. For him they are simply an addition to the ahadith about al-rajmand serve to embelish the evidence for it. Moreover, many narrations of ‘Umar’s hadith state that pregnancy can by itself provide proof of zina` but a majority of the supporters of al-rajm, including Shafi‘iand Mawdudi, reject that view.

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning3.htm

The Book Pertaining to Punishments Prescribed by Islam (Kitab Al-Hudud)

Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4194

'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/muslim/017.4194.html

does having this knowledge make me Islamophobic? (LOL)

The term "Taliban" translates as religious students

Emergence of a group of students named Taliban in 1979 doesn't refute what I wrote that Afghani people were not interested in Islam before Soviet invasion.

There was nothing called ''Taliban'' or Jihad in Afghanistan before 1979 when Pakistani teacher 'Hamidul Haq' recruited 300 of Aghani refugee students in his religious Madrasa in Pakistan and teached them ''Jihad'' during Soviet invasion , those students named 'Taliban' , and al-Qaida turned against America in 1994

However, in modern context it is a chaotic group of Islamist student militia which emerged in the last decade of twentieth century as a Jihadi movement in South and Central Asia with the joint assistance of Mullah-Military alliance in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and tacit support of America

after their success in throwing out the Soviet army from Afghanistan, these jobless, faction-ridden and chaotic Jihadis who called themselves Taliban emerged as an indigenous movement in 1994 against the warlords

For 'stoning' , no need for finding sources linking it to religion because this brutal tradition was practiced by humans since the cave age, it doesn't need any religion to re-invent the wheel. Sometimes traditonional practice in poor ignorant societies are worse than any practice imposed by religious extremism. In cloister poor societies people are still practicing what their ancestors were doing long time before religions.

Besides , I believe that whoever wrote the holy books he was smart enough to make it 'flawless' in the eyes of poor. For example Qura'an meant to side with the poor and it obligates the rich to give part of his money to the poor it also orders end of slavery. My point is when an ideology is written by man it intends to get support from the poor majority, it doesn't give expulsive orders like 'stoning'

King Dave in #3.4 , Where are your priorities?

It's not about my priorities , it is a fact that bruality and bigotary will not vanish away by emotional outrage as long the extreme poverty and ignorance exist on the planet with high birth rate in poor societies

Where's the influence of this cloud of emotions in saying that poverty and ignorance are good inviroment for wrong practice and old irrational traditions?

Religious bigotry is a superadding factor but not in all cases and not in all societies. The Indian families bury newborn girls since thousands of years because of poverty and ignorant tradition of favouring boy births and not because of religion . Many Chinese families leave born girls starving to death because government allow one child for a family and families want boy. Saudia is different , no poverty and alot of religious bigotry

you rethink your support for religious barbarism

This tells that not there is bigots of thoughts whor are not religipous by necessity

You'r blinded by your one way complusive thoughts to even notice that I am an athiest trying to figure a solution for a serious issue , not dropping by to defend violence or any religious bull@!$%#

Well that's it with such futile non-objective discussion , it turns to be personal and waste of time. I am not sure what eye glasses you use to see everyone having ordinary view on some issue a supporter of barbarism?

He probably couldn't read the quran...