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Sexism in the Bible ~ It is enough to make the Taliban blush

Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:10 AM EDT
religion, christianity, atheism
By King Dave
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Perhaps I just can't interpret properly or  make any sense  out of the Holy Texts, so consequently I don't  understand why any woman would willingly choose to be religious. This lack of understanding on my part is something I am quite proud of.

written by Charlotte

When religion in not a choice.

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony

 

Sexism is quite rampant in the Torah, considering the Hebrews were once a very chauvinistic society when it was written.  As a feminist, I find it my duty to site the following verses and remind fellow women of the sexist pig they are told to worship.  I can not possibly list all of the injustices that the Torah mentions.  Everything from the story of Lilith (who was booted out of Eden for having dominant sex with Adam) to how women are blamed for the fall from grace.  I had to settle for merely presenting a sample list as of right now and I shall add more verses as I thumb threw the Pentateuch a second time.  In the mean while, please feel free to utilize anything you see here.

Genesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge.  (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

Genesis 19:8 Tells of a man named Lot who offers his daughters to a crowd of would be angel rapers.  Later, Lot impregnates his own daughters after God kills his wife for simply looking back at the remains of her city.

Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law.  His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city.  On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act).  It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her.  Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

Exodus 21:3-4 Says that if a male slave is given a wife by his master (regardless of how long they are wed, how much they love each other or if they have kids) he can not leave servanthood with his wife or children. The woman and children are merely property of the master and their personal happiness or sanctity of family doesn’t matter.

Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.

Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.

Leviticus 12:1-8 Explains that a woman has to be purified after giving birth because she is “unclean”.  It goes on to say that birthing a male is cleaner then birthing a female, hence a mother must purify TWICE as long when having a daughter.  This is BLATANT sexism from the point of birth.  A woman is dirty simply for being a woman; this is obviously very biased and chauvinistic.

Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched.  It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that “God” claims to have created.  What is so just about vilifying what you created?

Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.

Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then “scourge” her.  Scourging is a term for a severe flogging or whipping.  I find it quite curious that the woman shall be punished to the point of a beating for such an occurrence, yet the man gets to go free for the deed.

Leviticus 21:9 Explains that unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death.  What about his unchaste sons?  Of course this isn’t even answered in the Torah, we are to assume yet again that men have the power to do as they wish and a woman must suffer the punishment for BOTH of them.

Leviticus 27:3-7 God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men.

Numbers 1:2 Is the basis for the sexism that remains rampant today.  In this verse Moses takes a poll of all the men who are able to fight in war, women aren’t even counted in the census.  Apparently back then, just like today, us women are considered the weaker species and unable to battle.  (Let’s not forget that during the time the Pentateuch was written women in Pagan cultures were FEARED and revered as the more powerful species.  It is because of this patriarchal religion and it’s offshoots that we have been reduced to cowering sub-humans.)

Numbers 30:3-16  A woman can’t make a vow unless her husband allows it.

Numbers 31: 14-18  Moses tells his men to kill all the males, non-virginal women, elderly and children of the Midianite tribe. Of course, the virgin women are kept for raping. If you read later down in the scripture God states that the Jews can not even marry a Midianite woman (with exception to Moses). Hence these women who were captured were repeatedly raped and impregnated and they weren’t even allowed a marital status in which to protect them.

Deuteronomy 20:13-15  Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.

Deuteronomy 21:11-14  If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”

Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that wear men’s clothing are an “abomination unto the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity.  Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course.  What is interesting to note here is the actual wording, it says : “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”.  Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are raped and fail to “cry out loud” in a populated area are most likely enjoying the attack should be killed.

Stoning of a pregnant Christian woman

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels.  Is this supposed to be some type of retribution?  What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her?  All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that we must cut off a woman’s hand if she touches the “secrets” of a man who is fighting with her husband…“And thine eye shall not pity her.”  Once again, there is no punishment for the man she touched, only the woman.

It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible.– George W. Foote

Nearly EVERY single advancement towards morality (I.E: ceasing native genocide, freeing the slaves and women’s suffrage) was OPPOSED by the church and Christian organizations.

 All of the essays from "The Church of Theists Suck" were written by Charlotte and most were previously posted in her own "Theists Suck" website which is no longer in existence.  She gave permission to freely copy and distribute her essays, they are not copyrighted.

http://www.evilbible.com/sexism_in_the_torah.htm

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Mateo-660030

most of these probably aren't even worth a response since it's clear you haven't even read the passages in question.

Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law. His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city. On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act). It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her. Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

the funny thing about this story is how it shows the ancients weren't as uncritical as you'd like to think. this episode, like many others in Genesis, is a self-criticism of the law, as indicated by its echoing the punishment prescribed in Lev 21:9. yes, it's a double standard, that's the point of the story, and Tamar is vindicated in the end.

Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.

how did you get that out of “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.?

Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

did you even read the passage?

If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin. Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

Stoning of a pregnant Christian woman

just curious, where did you get the basis for that caption? that image has never been presented to me as anything other than a Muslim woman being stoned by Muslims. of course, even if it were a Christian, this is obviously an Islamic custom being carried out.

A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Is this supposed to be some type of retribution? What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her? All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

it's already been established in Exodus 22:16-17 that the father can refuse the marriage but the man must pay the bride price anyway.

“If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.

of course, the ancient Hebrews had no word for "rape", so that's not an accurate rendition in Deuteronomy. interestingly, in the 3 cases of actual rape in the Old Testament (Dinah, a concubine in Judges, and Tamar), the rapists are all punished with some of the most violent retribution in the Bible. a recurring phrase in all 3 narratives, "such a thing is not done", seems to be the Hebrew euphemism for rape (sort of like a "love that dare not speak its name"), suggesting that they thought it was too horrible to have a word for.

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Reply#1 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:41 AM EDT
ndeepnow

Mateo-660030 .. dave is a hater of Jesus. He knows he lies about what the bible says. Jesus will deal with him, But I wanted to say thanks, I learned a few things from you. Keep being the light.

May the Lord Jesus Christ Bless You and Yours

    #1.1 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT
    Hiram-1381633

    Good job Mateo I have nothing to ad.

    H

      #1.2 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT
      King Dave

      Every quote is accurate. None of you even flinched at the cruelty to women in these quotes. Only anger at me for pointing them out. Where are your priorities?

      There is good news however, religious fanatics who get caught treating women in accordance to these books, are either, in prison, dead or being pursued by predator drones. Think about that for a moment.

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      #1.3 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:49 PM EDT
      Mateo-660030

      Every quote is accurate.

      no, it's clear you copy+pasted this whole list from evilbible.com without even examining them yourself.

      but since you couldn't be bothered to read these passages on your own, i'll point out another example of just how silly their whole argument is.

      Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched. It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that "God" claims to have created. What is so just about vilifying what you created?

      now, if you had just read Leviticus 15 yourself, you would have noticed that the first 17 verses describe ritual purification of men after seminal discharge, and the then verses 19-30 apply to female purification during menstruation. verse 18 is the central unit of the chiasmus (which actually embodies Leviticus 12, 15, 18, & 20 in the grander scheme of the book's structure), and applies to both men and women in the joining of sex. structurally, this chapter is equally divided in half among both sexes and has no meaning without both halves. to single out the half of the chapter that applies only to women and call that sexism is both ignorant and dishonest. why, i could point out any law that applies to both sexes and say it's sexist if i ignore the fact that it also applies to the other sex, which is exactly what they're doing here.

        #1.4 - Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:46 AM EDT
        King Dave

        it's clear you copy+pasted this whole list from evilbible.com

        What ever gave you that idea?sarc . I guess I have to get up pretty early in the morning to fool the religious community.

        here is how I referenced the author and website in the article directly above.

        written by Charlotte

        All of the essays from "The Church of Theists Suck" were written by Charlotte and most were previously posted in her own "Theists Suck" website which is no longer in existence. She gave permission to freely copy and distribute her essays, they are not copyrighted.

        http://www.evilbible.com/sexism_in_the_torah.htm

        You can tatoo the Bible on your forehead, that still does not make it true. Even Catholic Priests and most Christians are not stupid enough to believe the Old Testament is true or moral.

        Are these people also ignorant of the Holy Texts, and incapable of reading them before formulating an opionion like me?

        It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain

      • When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. – Sigmund Freud
      • Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger
      • The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.– Richard Dawkins
      • It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. You are, of course, free to interpret the Bible differently—though isn't it amazing that you have succeeded in discerning the true teachings of Christianity, while the most influential thinkers in the history of your faith failed? ~ Sam Harris
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