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Does God Exist? The Christopher Hitchens vs William Lane Craig Debate ~ *Video*

Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:03 PM EDT
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Journalist, Best selling Author and Atheist Christopher Hitchens debates the question Does God Exist? with Author & Ph.D  William Lane Craig..Incredibly entertaining and enlightening...

The debate between William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens hosted on 4th April, 2009 from the Christian Biola University.

The debate between William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens hosted on 4th April, 2009 from the Christian Biola University.

Christopher Eric Hitchens (born 13 April 1949) is an English-American author and journalist whose books, essays, and journalistic career span more than four decades. He has been a columnist and literary critic at The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, Slate, World Affairs, The Nation, Free Inquiry, and became a media fellow at the Hoover Institution in September 2008. He is a staple of talk shows and lecture circuits and in 2005 he was voted the world's fifth top public intellectual in a Prospect/Foreign Policy poll.

Identified as a champion of the "New Atheism" movement, Hitchens describes himself as an antitheist and a believer in the philosophical values of the Enlightenment. Hitchens says that a person "could be an atheist and wish that belief in god were correct," but that "an antitheist, a term I'm trying to get into circulation, is someone who is relieved that there's no evidence for such an assertion." He argues that the concept of god or a supreme being is a totalitarian belief that destroys individual freedom, and that free expression and scientific discovery should replace religion as a means of teaching ethics and defining human civilization. He wrote at length on atheism and the nature of religion in his 2007 book God Is Not Great.

William Lane Craig (born August 23, 1949) is an American analytic philosopher and theologian. He is known for his work on the philosophy of time and philosophy of religion, specifically the existence of God and defense of Christian theism. He has made major contributions to the philosophy of religion and his defense of the Kalām cosmological argument is the most widely discussed argument for the existence of God in contemporary Western philosophy. He has authored or edited over 30 books including The KalamCosmological Argument (1979), Theism, Atheism and Big Bang Cosmology (co-authored withQuentin Smith) (1993), Time and Eternity: Exploring God's Relationship to Time (2001), and Einstein, Relativity and Absolute Simultaneity (co-edited withQuentin Smith) (2007).

Craig has debated with prominent intellectuals such as Anthony Flew, A C Grayling, Daniel Dennett, Lawrence Krauss, Victor Stenger, Peter Atkins, and Christopher Hitchens, to name but a few. Craig maintains that science and faith are connected and that the physical sciences are more open to the idea of a creator than they have been in recent history. Sam Harris, a prominent atheist, described Craig as "the one Christian apologist who seems to have put the fear of God into many of my fellow atheists"

 

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King Dave

This Hitchens' God debate is one of my favorites. It is not inflammatory, but it is very entertaining, and enlightening as you will see by the audience reaction from the start. Plus a bunch of awesome "Hitch-slaps."

If you are interested, please watch at your convenience and share your thoughts. I would enjoy as much hearing from fellow Newsvine users.

Religious groups every where have seen a resurgence of a new renewed fanaticism, violence, and Holy Wars. But it seems this is because the religious have their backs now against the wall, and their beliefs may very well soon end up in the mass grave of mythology. ~ Sam Harris

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Reply#1 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:15 PM EDT
KElane

King David!

AARGH! It's two hours and twelve minutes! Is there a script? I read better! I can underline and nit-pick that way--:-0)

I am not an atheist.....

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
King Dave

It's better than last three Star Wars movies, the Snooki, or Dancing with The Stars. Watch it at work, or your down time...The last 45 min. is questions from the audience.

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#2.1 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT
KElane

okay....are there 'preachers' speaking in there? I'm not sure I can choke down a preacher.

    #2.2 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:44 PM EDT
    Zydor

    I am an hour into this .... so still a ways to go, but its very, very good. Enjoyable debate at a sensible level thats suited for both the faithful and the atheist. Clubbing that happens is not that much, and respectful.

    Its sponsored by a Christian University, but they set it up as a free wheeling debate. One of the best I've seen on the question, and I've seen quite a few ...

    I did have the trigger finger twitching on first sight of the title, baring in mind Theocratic Life Group aims and dangers of more of the same, but as always gave it a shot - glad I did. Its long for sure, but worth a watch, go for it, enjoyable debate.

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    #2.3 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 7:06 PM EDT
    Drakkonis

    Not sure how far into it I am, but so far, Hitchens seems to be rambling. He isn't very clear or very consice. Hard to follow what point he's making.

      #2.4 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
      KElane

      He gets better~but you wonder about the crowd he's speaking to. I wonder if he wasn't a bit nervous. I've been there and had to stand up to a crowd who wanted me ripped to shreds. He seemed cautious. Keep going~it does get better.

        #2.5 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
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        KElane

        I'm at 30 minutes. So far I'm not cringing too much. It's interesting.....

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        Reply#3 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT
        KElane

        okay~opinion only. I liked both speakers. I was a little disappointed that Mr. Craig didn't use scriptures. He brought out points about the universe how tightly knit it is, so much that if it were just a hair off, earth would sustain life.

        Mr. Hitchens stammered a lot, but I did like him a lot. His argument wasn't strong to me. He questioned more than proved.

        I did like that they didn't have the belittling bickering that usually happens. It was a good watch.

          Reply#4 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 10:12 PM EDT
          KElane

          Hum. No one has commented on this. I held back thinking someone would pull out from the debate something interesting to stretch on.

          King David~You might not get comments on this. I did watch all 2hours 12minutes of it. Guaranteed that if there was bashing I would have turned it off. I didn’t see any, just two men discussing if God exists or not. No doctrine—thanks goodness—but no scriptures either. And, probably it’s a good thing. The two both used science over scripture.

          If I were to make a choice who I would sit down and talk with, it would be with Mr. Hitchens. Though he didn’t really state any hardcore facts to present his case. Honest question: Do atheist have any facts? It seems those who believe in the Creator have to have ‘facts’ but an atheist simply has to say “I don’t believe that” or “that doesn’t make sense”. [Honest question]

          One thing that really bothered me about Craig is he stammered over Hitchens’ question about demons. Hitchens asked Craig if demons existed! Craig stumbled around and I’m thinking he did not answer the question. Do demons exist? According to Revelation 12:7-12 they do and several other scriptures. Yes! I wondered why Craig had a hard time with it.

          On Hitchens, he stumbled over the moral issue. We all have morals, but bestiality? I was wondering why he didn’t jump up and say ‘no way!’ It's not a shameful thing to have morals. Was the guy quoting something from his book....I thought he had.

          Craig brought up the ‘fine tuning’ of the universe. About the position of the planets, which was excellent. I wasn’t sure about Hitchens when he spoke of the expansion of the universe—is it going to explode? And of some asteroid coming.

          Hitchens brought up the ‘many’ religions and the bloody wars. Good for him! This was one of the main reasons I started my search. I couldn’t understand how Jesus preached peace; how prophecy said true followers of God would beat their swords into plowshare, and yet religions, including Christendom, have bloodied the hands of many. If I remember right, Craig agreed and had no answer.

          How can there be ONE book with so many followers to believe in it and have so many different views of it? No wonder there are atheist.

          Thanks for sharing. KE

            Reply#5 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:47 AM EDT
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