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Christian Terrorism and Islamophobia ~ Sam Harris

Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:02 PM EDT
religion, islam, christianity, atheist
By King Dave

Norway

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Christian Terrorism and Islamophobia: by   Sam Harris

At certain points near the extremity of human evil it becomes difficult, and perhaps pointless, to make ethical distinctions. However, I cannot shake the feeling that detonating a large bomb in the center of a peaceful city with the intent of killing vast numbers of innocent people was the lesser of Anders Behring Breivik’s transgressions last week. It seems to me that it required greater malice, and even less humanity, to have intended this atrocity to be a mere diversion, so that he could then commit nearly one hundred separate murders on the tiny Island of Utoya later in the day.

And just when one thought the human mind could grow no more depraved, one learns details like the following:

After killing several people on one part of the island, he went to the other, and, dressed in his police uniform, calmly convinced the children huddled there that he meant to save them. When they emerged into the open, he fired again and again. (“For Young Campers, Island Turned Into Fatal Trap.” The New York Times, July 23, 2011)

Other unsettling facts will surely surface in the coming weeks. Some might even be vaguely exculpatory. Is Breivik mentally ill? Judging from his behavior, it is difficult to imagine a definition of “sanity” that could contain him.

It has been widely reported that Breivik is a “Christian fundamentalist.” Having read parts of his 1500-page manifesto (2083: A European Declaration of Independence), I must say that I have my doubts. These do not appear to be the ruminations of an especially committed Christian:

 

 

I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think;

“Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.”

Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet… But I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill. I know there is a 80%+ chance I am going to die during the operation as I have no intention to surrender to them until I have completed all three primary objectives AND the bonus mission. When I initiate (providing I haven’t been apprehended before then), there is a 70% chance that I will complete the first objective, 40% for the second, 20% for the third and less than 5% chance that I will be able to complete the bonus mission. It is likely that I will pray to God for strength at one point during that operation, as I think most people in that situation would….If praying will act as an additional mental boost/soothing it is the pragmatical thing to do. I guess I will find out… If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past. (p. 1344)

As I have only read parts of this document, I cannot say whether signs of a deeper religious motive appear elsewhere in it. Nevertheless, the above passages would seem to undermine any claim that Breivik is a Christian fundamentalist in the usual sense. What cannot be doubted, however, is that Breivik’s explicit goal was to punish European liberals for their timidity in the face of Islam.

I have written a fair amount about the threat that Islam poses to open societies, but I am happy to say that Breivik appears never to have heard of me. He has, however, digested the opinions of many writers who share my general concerns—Theodore Dalrymple, Robert D. Kaplan, Lee Harris, Ibn Warraq, Bernard Lewis, Andrew Bostom, Robert Spencer, Walid Shoebat, Daniel Pipes, Bat Ye’or, Mark Steyn, Samuel Huntington, et al. He even singles out my friend and colleague Ayaan Hirsi Ali for special praise, repeatedly quoting a blogger who thinks she deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. With a friend like Breivik, one will never want for enemies.

One can only hope that the horror and outrage provoked by Breivik’s behavior will temper the growing enthusiasm for right-wing, racist nationalism in Europe. However, one now fears the swing of another pendulum: We are bound to hear a lot of deluded talk about the dangers of “Islamophobia” and about the need to address the threat of “terrorism” in purely generic terms.

The emergence of “Christian” terrorism in Europe does absolutely nothing to diminish or simplify the problem of Islam—its repression of women, its hostility toward free speech, and its all-too-facile and frequent resort to threats and violence. Islam remains the most retrograde and ill-behaved religion on earth. And the final irony of Breivik’s despicable life is that he has made that truth even more difficult to speak about.

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Orly Holmes

One of the binds that critics of the left find themselves in when confronting Breiviks rightist ''Christianity '' and his ''phobias'' aimed at Islam, utilizing these within the context of terrorism, is the patent support that this wing has given to terrorists for many decades. Since the fall of the Soviet Union and the later non-participatory aspects of the ''perpetual revolution'', the old-guard, purely terrorist western entities of the left have fallen off.

The Red Brigades, BAADER-MEINHOFs, Weathermen, are virtually extinct. Yet the creature still lives in its support for groups which fulfill the ideals set forth in the older 1960s bases as these see them. To support HEZBOLLAH, AL-AQSAS, HAMAs, the PLO, or even the Brotherhood, is to indicate an approval of an ideology which uses terror as its foundation, no different in their ways, then those now utilized in Europe by the National Front or the Knights Templar, the three main groups which enjoy substantial western support amongst the left having murdered innocents, US servicemen and those of other NATO nations, children, and having engaged in political assassination and bombing campaigns [ the Hariri Lebanese presidential candidacy hit by HEZBOLLAH took place only weeks before noted American leftwinger Noam Chomskey met with its titular and spiritual leader in Damascus to offer praise for the organizations goals, which have been universally violent, thinly masked by public welfare projects in Lebanon, similar to those carried out by repressive governments and organizations for centuries].

Hitchens [ an atheist ] comes the closest to the determination that ''Christian'' was merely a sign hung on the killer in order to create a pre-determined judgement based upon the same biases it claims of the ''Islamophobe''. For the national media, it serves a beneficial propaganda usage, nearly mathematical in its equation.

''European Christian Terrorist''

is equal to:

''American Christian Rightwinger''

which is equal to:

''American Tea Party''

the sum of which is:

''A portion of our government is being run by Norwegian-Christian-Terrorist allies who are trying to pull down the government because they won't toe Obamas line''.

Closely observe how even congressional leaders cannot resist using such an equation, with Reid, while they were still gathering the bodies in Oslo, comparing the GOP to ''fanatics'' and ''extremists'', working the angles for the mental connections.

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Reply#1 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
Andrew-1162039

We always attempt to extract guilt by association when these things happen. You do it yourself in using it as an excuse to rant about the evils of the left supporting terrorist organizations the world over. Many on the left have done the same thing in painting this guy as a Christian right wing terrorist who is somehow identical to the Tea Partiers here in America. The fact is he was a lone nut, and they come in all shapes and ideologies.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
King Dave

Thanks everyone who read, commented, and voted.

Harris and others have pointed out Breivik's rudimentary knowledge of Christianity, suggesting it's disingenuous to say Breivik is a Christian terrorist.

Since when has lack of Biblical knowledge ever disqualified someone from being a Christian fundamentalist?

  • It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain
    • 1 vote
    #1.2 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:32 PM EDT
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    Antaeus

    The emergence of “Christian” terrorism in Europe does absolutely nothing to diminish or simplify the problem of Islam—its repression of women, its hostility toward free speech, and its all-too-facile and frequent resort to threats and violence. Islam remains the most retrograde and ill-behaved religion on earth.

    To even suggest equivalence between years of global Islamic terrorism and what happened in Norway, based on a single event, and whatever this young man's motivation was, is as fallacious as it is dangerous.

    Since 9/11/2001, domestic (non-Muslim) terrorists, counting the recent victims in Norway, have killed about 200 people. Islamic terrorists have killed at least 25 times that number of people world-wide -- and counting on a daily basis.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT
    Andrew-1162039

    Lord's Resistance Army has killed thousands in that time frame, they're nominally Christian. Still I agree that Islamic militants make up the largest terrorist threat in the world. But similarly, just because I'm more likely to get cancer that doesn't mean I shouldn't worry about HIV and not wear a condom. All militant groups, no matter their politics or religious beliefs, pose a threat, and we should be cautious of them all.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:50 AM EDT
    Antaeus

    The LRA is one party in a civil war and not part of an international or even global terrorist organization or network. To drag them into the equation is of rather negligible value.

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    #2.2 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT
    Andrew-1162039

    Simply dismissing what the LRA does as the consequences of civil war is disengenuous. They are militant terrorists in the same vein as the IRA, the Chechnyan rebels, and half a dozen other terrorist organizations. The fact that they are not global makes them no less of a militant terrorist organization.

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    #2.3 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT
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