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Religious Militants hang 8-year-old boy in southern Afghanistan - CNN.com

Seeded on Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
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religion, islam, christianity, breivik
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An 8 year-old boy was hanged by militants in Afghanistan's Helmand province after the boy's father -- a police officer in the southern city of Gereshk -- refused to comply with militants' demands to provide them with a police vehicle, officials said.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the hanging, saying "this action is not permitted in any culture or any religions," according to a statement Sunday, which provided details of the incident.

Karzai said he has ordered local authorities to root out the militants and arrest them "as soon as possible."

The boy was kidnapped Friday. It was unclear when he was killed.

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skeptic-227981

Where's the UN and the Human Rights Commission on this?

And why aren't those cowardly b@stards in jail right now?

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
King Dave

Most people believe crimes against children are the worst acts possible, and would never even think about them.

Then why are children often the target of the religious death squads? Most recently Christian crusader Behring Breivik?

Because it's repeated over and over in the "Holy Books."

Christian Bible/ King James Version

Psalms 137

9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Isaiah 13

16Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Jeremiah 19:

8And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof.

9And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
skeptic-227981

Two things. First, the quotes are out of context. The first two refer to the captivity of the Jews in Babylon and the results of how they were treated. The third is actually a warning of what would happen if the Jews didn't turn from their then-current ways. Those quotes are from the OT and set in a different historical/social context than ours, and in context, everyone was going to be destroyed for what the collective societies had done. Further, these were before Jesus came. The message and methodology changed. I notice you didn't include equivalent stories from other religions and mythologies.

Second, this is a story about a few greedy guys who took their atrocious access to power out on an innocent child to punish the father, thus sending a heinous message to all around them not to withhold whatever they ask. As I've said in other posts, the worst thing a human being has to face is the death of his or her own child. That's what those Afghan thugs were doing. They are vile cowards who need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of their laws. Same thing for the Norwegian, or militants and rebels in other countries who murder and rape innocents in the name of war. In all cases, it's psychopathology - religion, political ideology, or what happened to them in their childhoods (serial killers) are just the excuses to murder innocents. They all need to be ended.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT
backroads

dave, did you change the headline due to your atheism?

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:45 PM EDT
King Dave

Skeptic and backroads are far more offended with the slight to religion than hanging of an 8 year old boy. Not one world of empathy for the small boy.

The Bible quotes are mandates from God to kill your enemies children, and to take pleasure in the act. Instead of showing some shame for defending this Biblical morality and religious crimes, you both chose to attack me for criticising religions.

The religious community including Breivik consider the political left and secular humanists to be their #1 enemy, because they are convinced we are taking away their rights to trample on the rights of others.

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:21 PM EDT
backroads

dave, you didn't answer the question. I think you thrill to such stories as a validation of your notions.

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT
skeptic-227981

King Dave, you have no idea what does or does not offend me, nor should you speculate on a public forum. Did you not read my first post?

Where's the UN and the Human Rights Commission on this?

And why aren't those cowardly b@stards in jail right now?

In pointing out the true context of what you quoted in 'stand alone' mode, I also made it clear that in any generation, religion, culture, time, losing one's children is the worst thing a human being has to face. Those quotes, in context, were only part of what was going to happen. People need to start being honest about what they quote from the Bible and put it in context. Not doing so is one of the most dishonest and slanted things that go on here at the Vine.

What these guys did had nothing to do with religion - ANY religion. It was about revenge, power, greed, and psychopathic behavior. They are bereft of conscious, humanity, morals, or decency. Once again, I'll say it: they are letting everyone around them know that there are no bounds to what they'll do if they don't get what they want. And they should be ended.

    #2.5 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:32 AM EDT
    King Dave

    dave, you didn't answer the question I think you thrill to such stories as a validation of your notions.

    Absolutely not. That is an awful thing to say. A very low, bitter and fatuous remark. But like all religious violence however, I'm not surprised. I will not answer questions asked in the form of gibberish. Have a nice day.

    First, the quotes are out of context...

    ...Those quotes are from the OT and set in a different historical/social context than ours..

    So which one is it? Those are two completely incompatible statements. The religious keep telling us, It doesn't mean what we just read. Anyone can read it for themselves. It is not ok to slaughter peoples children in any context, no matter how you spin it.

    More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery? Breivik's God.

  • It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. You are, of course, free to interpret the Bible differently—though isn't it amazing that you have succeeded in discerning the true teachings of Christianity, while the most influential thinkers in the history of your faith failed?
    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT
    Campground

    King Dave,

    You label yourself as "An Athiest, for lack of a better word" and then present single sentence quotations from three paragraphs in three different books of the Old Testament?

    The common thread in those three paragraphs is of the suffering by God's chosen people when they became self-righteous through pride, among oher things.

    "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters." A description of cannablism?

      #2.7 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:25 PM EDT
      King Dave

      You label yourself as "An Athiest, for lack of a better word" and then present single sentence quotations from three paragraphs in three different books of the Old Testament?

      I don't wish to bore people, but believe me there is lots more.

      It's not a problem for me, an atheist, to be forced to contrive morality from, clearly stupid, murderous, superstitious, misogynist, regressive "Holy Books," that is the believers issue. Forced in the sense, if you wish to be Christian, and receiver the rewards, you must take Biblical God mandated mass murder, rape, slavery and force yourself to believe that it's Holy.

      I did not decide to be an atheist, I realized early I was.

      Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which not that I reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me." ` Jesus Christ

      • 1 vote
      #2.8 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT
      Campground

      What's your favorite read? Would you have offered counsel about the consequences of pride?

      Here we have a story of kidnapping and murder. The main characters obviously were not put off by a religious text.

      Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the hanging, saying "this action is not permitted in any culture or any religions," according to a statement Sunday, which provided details of the incident.

        #2.9 - Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:56 AM EDT
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        Water Hole

        This is tragic and such incidents need to be prevented.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#3 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT
        Door King

        Religious militant killed 93 children in Norway.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT
        demmywemmy

        As pointed out in #2, a crime that is meant to drive any opposition to despair. It is impossible for us who are not serving our country in Afghanistan to grasp its incredible size- impenetrable, timeless, unconquerable.

        I suppose we could spend a trillion dollars and a million+ men to turn this country upside down and bring this country to its knees with our mind boggling firepower. And in 20 years watch it return to a country unfazed by the effort.

        We no longer have any business there. Its criminal president would love to keep the ruse going on. We need to go home. Our original objective was completed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT
        Don_Q

        And in 20 years watch it return to a country unfazed by the effort.

        More like 2 years.

          #5.1 - Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:53 PM EDT
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